Grandma Sawyer's Revenge?

[Spooky Papa]

Sorry if you've already heard this one, but I just read a strange claim on a IMDb forum regarding TCM2. Supposedly during the final scene of the film, Grandma Sawyer's corpse can be seen rising behind Stretch as she performs her crazed chainsaw victory dance. Hook in mouth...I investigated by scrutinising over TCM2's final moments (a few more times than I care to admit). I saw lots of smoke...I did see what was likely Grandma (dead on her thrown) in the background (to the left of Stretch)...but I didn't see any dramatic movement which persuaded me to think the old woman had risen from the dead for revenge. Apparently a few others saw what the starter of this thread did and were creeped out. What do you see?

[MrSawyer]

Hmm I never noticed that till now, I've seen the movie several times. I don't remember grandmother sawyer moving, I will go watch it again and see

[captainspaulding]

belive me it's just nothing more then smoke.

[Leatherfacette]

I'd planned to check this particular rumor out much sooner because I'd honestly never heard it before, but I'm very easily sidetracked.. Nevertheless, I just watched the ending frame by frame a few times until I arrived at the same conclusion that you did.. Sadly, I didn't see anything that could even remotely be confused with Grandma moving around in the background even when I used my most powerful zoom setting.. I would've liked to, mind you, but all I saw was smoke..

As far as the whole IMDb thing is concerned, it's probably a lot like those magic pictures you're supposed to stare at whilst unfocusing your eyes until you see something.. Some people (including me) never manage to see anything, but a handful of those people (not including me) will claim that they do/did in order to prevent themselves from feeling inadequate..

It may also be a hoax propagated by any number of troublemakers that have absolutely nothing better to do on the net than spread false rumors, such as the complete waste of oxygen who posted something in my old forum about Bill Moseley being dead when he was very much alive..

[Lefty Enright 13]

I watched it just now, and you can only see the supposed "grandma " for a second. If that is grandma sawyer, I saw it. If it's just white smoke, then I saw that.

[Leatherfacette]

I was doing the step frame thing today because I'm trying to find new stuff to add to the Props & Products section & managed to see what they were talking about. It lasts all of 15 frames, which I doubt add up to more than a second (or two). Anyway, I took screen captures of those frames, cropped them and then turned them into a gif:

I realize that it's small, but these were the very last frames in the movie, so it wasn't very close or very clear. Nevertheless, the shape that moves around behind her does look suspicious. I don't know if I believe the Grandma theory, but at least I know what they were talking about now.

Oh, and if you save it & open it with Windows Picture & Fax Viewer, you can zoom in (and in and in). I can also slow it down a bit more if you'd like, but again, it only lasts for 15 frames.

[Chainsaw]

Thats realy creepy.hmmmmm i like that if they would of killed stretch off.

[Spooky Papa]

The only thing I know for sure is that my eyes and brain don't work together like they used to. My memory of what I thought I had seen during my original investigation was clearly askew. Leatherfacette's GIF paints a drastically different picture than my mind's eye. I guess my perception would leave me as a fairly unreliable witness to a crime. Maybe Caroline Williams could shed some light on this mystery...she was there after all. I still have my doubts that it is a resurrected Grandma. On the other hand, I am quite certain that it ain't just a puff of smoke (maybe a crew member got in the shot). With my memory now refreshed, I am still without any concrete stance on this subject.

[Leatherfacette]

Interestingly enough, during my first investigation of the aforementioned claim, I either didn't make it to the last 15 frames of the film or had a severe case of selective vision, too. Again, it's virtually impossible to see it without watching it frame by frame and/or slowing it down considerably, but it does appear to have solid form (unlike a random puff of smoke). And the appearance of the mystery shape in question is actually an anomaly when compared to the content of the frames that preceded it.

Yet, I'm still not prepared to jump on the Grandma conspiracy theory bandwagon. If it was deliberate, one would think that it would've lasted a bit longer than it did. Granted, perpetuating a rumor such as this wouldn't hurt from a marketing standpoint, but given Stretch's cameo in TCM3, the validity of the claim is obviously open to speculation. Even if it was Grandma, Stretch still reigned victorious, so her reappearance wouldn't have much purpose in the grand scheme of things.

I'm curious, mind you, but still not convinced (primarily because the rumor reached my ears/eyes about a decade and a half too late).

[Spooky Papa]

Caroline Williams has put the notion of Grandma Sawyer's revenge to rest...at least for me (see K-OKLA: TCM 2 Rumour). I am quite satisfied that what we have all been looking at is the celluloid equivalent to seeing Abe Lincoln in a potato chip. The one question I have left will likely never be answered. Who the hell first spotted these frames and got the rumour ball rolling?

[Leatherfacette]

Something tells me that we can just chuck the whole thing into the "urban legend" bin because nobody really knows how those things get started either (unless they're loosely based on fact). I wouldn't be too terribly surprised if it didn't originate with a member of the crew though, perhaps even the crew member(s) who was/were responsible for the anomaly, but I certainly wouldn't bet my life on it.

Nevertheless, if my site is around long enough, I may eventually run into someone who knows.